From necrotic at gmail.com Wed Nov 24 07:53:55 2004 From: necrotic at gmail.com (James Logsdon) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:53:55 +0000 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP IDEs? [Was: Re: [atlphp-org] Moving forward] In-Reply-To: <41A4B87D.9000200@atlphp.org> References: <200411241621.iAOGLgih099373@dante.atlp.aismedia.com> <41A4B87D.9000200@atlphp.org> Message-ID: <41A48463.8000204@gmail.com> Ben Ramsey wrote: > Zend Studio is supposedly very good, and it's made specifically for PHP. I used to use it. It's a pretty good IDE for PHP editing. But on slow computers (mine is a 600mhz), it's not the best. After having it open for a few hours it starts to slow down. > Tulip is also an IDE for PHP, and it's written using PHP-GTK, which I think is a pretty neat feature. Once PHP-GTK2 comes out, or they fix PHP-GTK1s build errors I get, then I want to try Tulip. It looks nice. I personally use Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor. It has projects, allows me to open multiple files and switch between with Alt+Left or Alt+Right, which I love. Syntax highlighting is pretty good. I like the fact that it's got what I need, and nothing more. Though sometimes I do wish it had a built in PHP Manual, but I can live without it :). --- James Logsdon necrotic at gmail.com james.logsdon at improvisemedia.com http://www.girsbrain.org http://www.improvisemedia.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From ben at atlphp.org Wed Nov 24 11:36:13 2004 From: ben at atlphp.org (Ben Ramsey) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:36:13 -0500 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP IDEs? [Was: Re: [atlphp-org] Moving forward] In-Reply-To: <200411241621.iAOGLgih099373@dante.atlp.aismedia.com> References: <200411241621.iAOGLgih099373@dante.atlp.aismedia.com> Message-ID: <41A4B87D.9000200@atlphp.org> I'm moving this part of the discussion over to the talk@ list. I think it's best suited there, and I hope you understand. :-) Yay! We get to use our talk list now! :-) I'm not adverse to using IDEs, but I just haven't found one I really like. Dreamweaver was probably the one I liked the most, but I quit using it over a year ago, and I just use Notepad and/or Vim now. Zend Studio is supposedly very good, and it's made specifically for PHP. Tulip is also an IDE for PHP, and it's written using PHP-GTK, which I think is a pretty neat feature. I've not used either of these, so I can't really comment on how good they are. Ben Jonathan Chum wrote: > On another note... > > Anyone tried Xored's Trudio Studio Foundation IDE? The M5 release, I was > able to get a script compiled, but would error out when I called any mysql_* > functions. The M6 release is even worse since I'm unable to get anything > working unless it's compiled and the results are printed to the console. > > I've look into Nusphere which had difficulties with code hints with outside > classes which was a turn off for me. It recognized methods in the same file > just fine though. Otherwise, there's some nifty features like a built in CVS > client and phpDoc. > > Xored's IDE looks very promising though especially since it's based ontop of > Eclipse which has plugins for WebDav. I'm using SVN for code revisioning and > have yet to come across a PHP IDE that plays together with WebDav. > > I've been using Dreamweaver MX 2004 and the WebDav functionality doesn't > play well since DMX calls the LOCK method which is unsupported. So I'm back > to using TortoiseSVN which I try to remind myself to commit changes every > few hours. > > Anyone else using an IDE, or are you happy with NotePad or VIM :) -- Ben Ramsey Atlanta PHP http://atlphp.org http://benramsey.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From jchum at aismedia.com Wed Nov 24 13:49:46 2004 From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:49:46 -0500 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP IDEs? [Was: Re: [atlphp-org] Moving forward] In-Reply-To: <41A48463.8000204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200411241848.iAOImUi4004733@dante.atlp.aismedia.com> I don't recall if I ever tried Zend Studio. Thanks, I'll give it shot. I'm looking for PHP-GTK2 for a personal project that I'm doing off/on. XUL was something I was looking into as you get a nice application look/feel using Mozilla. Too bad though there isn't any decent WYSIWYG XUL editor out... Going off on another tangent yet again... This time on the right list :) I had picked up a copy of LINUX User & Developer today and there was a really cool program called Lamppix - Mini, a bootable that loads a copy of Apache, PHP or Perl, MySQL & PostgreSQL. The size is really small at 150 MB making it very attractive to install all of the applications I've worked on as a portfolio piece on a pocket size CD. Lately, I've been making screenshots and writing up case studies for each one, but this is pretty sweet to give potential clients access to frontend/backend access to projects without messing anything up. -----Original Message----- From: James Logsdon [mailto:necrotic at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 7:54 AM To: talk at lists.atlphp.org Subject: Re: [atlphp-talk] PHP IDEs? [Was: Re: [atlphp-org] Moving forward] Ben Ramsey wrote: > Zend Studio is supposedly very good, and it's made specifically for PHP. I used to use it. It's a pretty good IDE for PHP editing. But on slow computers (mine is a 600mhz), it's not the best. After having it open for a few hours it starts to slow down. > Tulip is also an IDE for PHP, and it's written using PHP-GTK, which I think is a pretty neat feature. Once PHP-GTK2 comes out, or they fix PHP-GTK1s build errors I get, then I want to try Tulip. It looks nice. I personally use Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor. It has projects, allows me to open multiple files and switch between with Alt+Left or Alt+Right, which I love. Syntax highlighting is pretty good. I like the fact that it's got what I need, and nothing more. Though sometimes I do wish it had a built in PHP Manual, but I can live without it :). --- James Logsdon necrotic at gmail.com james.logsdon at improvisemedia.com http://www.girsbrain.org http://www.improvisemedia.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From matt at atlphp.org Wed Nov 24 14:30:20 2004 From: matt at atlphp.org (Matt Kern) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:30:20 -0500 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP IDEs? [Was: Re: [atlphp-org] Moving forward] In-Reply-To: <41A4B87D.9000200@atlphp.org> References: <200411241621.iAOGLgih099373@dante.atlp.aismedia.com> <41A4B87D.9000200@atlphp.org> Message-ID: <41A4E14C.7040800@atlphp.org> I've used several (though it's hard not to just fall back and stick with vim, glorious vim). I thought the Zend IDE was good, but it was just too buggy and too expensive to justify use, IMHO. I've been using Eclipse for some time for my java development, and I've recently moved my php efforts to it as well. It's solid so far, though the debugging is a bit weak (still can't get it use the breakpoints). It's got lots of good features, and supports a TON of plugins. Johnathan, I'm in the same boat, I started using it because of the seamless svn integration. Sadly, I've not had the time to actually configure and use the SVN integration yet :-) I'll have to check out the Xored IDE...but what exactly are they offering on top of the eclipse package? Probably the best thing about Eclipse frankly is the cost (especially given that at any cost, it's probably one of the best IDE's out there for php). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From matt at atlphp.org Wed Nov 24 14:35:34 2004 From: matt at atlphp.org (Matt Kern) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:35:34 -0500 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP IDEs? [Was: Re: [atlphp-org] Moving forward] In-Reply-To: <200411241848.iAOImUi4004733@dante.atlp.aismedia.com> References: <200411241848.iAOImUi4004733@dante.atlp.aismedia.com> Message-ID: <41A4E286.9030608@atlphp.org> Jonathan Chum wrote: > I don't recall if I ever tried Zend Studio. Thanks, I'll give it shot. > > I'm looking for PHP-GTK2 for a personal project that I'm doing off/on. XUL > was something I was looking into as you get a nice application look/feel > using Mozilla. Too bad though there isn't any decent WYSIWYG XUL editor > out... > > Going off on another tangent yet again... This time on the right list :) > > I had picked up a copy of LINUX User & Developer today and there was a > really cool program called Lamppix - Mini, a bootable that loads a copy of > Apache, PHP or Perl, MySQL & PostgreSQL. The size is really small at 150 MB > making it very attractive to install all of the applications I've worked on > as a portfolio piece on a pocket size CD. Lately, I've been making > screenshots and writing up case studies for each one, but this is pretty > sweet to give potential clients access to frontend/backend access to > projects without messing anything up. > Better include a Non Disclosure Agreement, too, if you're handing out source code on CD! Or are you encoding? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From jchum at aismedia.com Wed Nov 24 14:42:11 2004 From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:42:11 -0500 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP IDEs? [Was: Re: [atlphp-org] Moving forward] In-Reply-To: <41A4E14C.7040800@atlphp.org> Message-ID: <200411241940.iAOJetbj006757@dante.atlp.aismedia.com> I used Eclipse for JAVA which someone introduced me to some nifty plugins. The layout is very clean and makes it easier on my eyes. http://www.xored.com is the URL and supports WebDav which means you need to get Apache 2 with the WebDav Mod to work. Trustudio Foundation is suppose to be free once finished next month while the full professional release has a WYSIWYG editor, code navigation, and advance code analysis. I think Foundation will be fine for those who build their front end with Dreamweaver. I use Smarty template engine and use delimeters that plays nicely with DMX than the default { } delimiters. The price isn't bad either when it's completed at just $99.99, act now, it costs only $47 bucks. I'm waiting until I can take an existing application and compile it under Xored first. If you like Eclipse, I think you be very impressed with Xored's features if you can get it to compile :) http://www.xored.com/trustudio/features -----Original Message----- From: Matt Kern [mailto:matt at atlphp.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 2:30 PM To: talk at lists.atlphp.org Subject: Re: [atlphp-talk] PHP IDEs? [Was: Re: [atlphp-org] Moving forward] I've used several (though it's hard not to just fall back and stick with vim, glorious vim). I thought the Zend IDE was good, but it was just too buggy and too expensive to justify use, IMHO. I've been using Eclipse for some time for my java development, and I've recently moved my php efforts to it as well. It's solid so far, though the debugging is a bit weak (still can't get it use the breakpoints). It's got lots of good features, and supports a TON of plugins. Johnathan, I'm in the same boat, I started using it because of the seamless svn integration. Sadly, I've not had the time to actually configure and use the SVN integration yet :-) I'll have to check out the Xored IDE...but what exactly are they offering on top of the eclipse package? Probably the best thing about Eclipse frankly is the cost (especially given that at any cost, it's probably one of the best IDE's out there for php). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From lists at thekerns.net Mon Nov 29 11:17:37 2004 From: lists at thekerns.net (Matt Kern) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:17:37 -0500 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP IDEs? [Was: Re: [atlphp-org] Moving forward] In-Reply-To: <200411241940.iAOJetbj006757@dante.atlp.aismedia.com> References: <200411241940.iAOJetbj006757@dante.atlp.aismedia.com> Message-ID: <41AB4BA1.1070702@thekerns.net> Jonathan Chum wrote: > I used Eclipse for JAVA which someone introduced me to some nifty plugins. > The layout is very clean and makes it easier on my eyes. > > http://www.xored.com is the URL and supports WebDav which means you need to > get Apache 2 with the WebDav Mod to work. Trustudio Foundation is suppose to > be free once finished next month while the full professional release has a > WYSIWYG editor, code navigation, and advance code analysis. Well luckily if you're running SVN then most likely WebDAV is already set up. ;-) I'll take a look, but WYSIWYG makes me shudder 99.9999% of the time. > > I think Foundation will be fine for those who build their front end with > Dreamweaver. I use Smarty template engine and use delimeters that > plays nicely with DMX than the default { } delimiters. > > The price isn't bad either when it's completed at just $99.99, act now, it > costs only $47 bucks. I'm waiting until I can take an existing application > and compile it under Xored first. > > If you like Eclipse, I think you be very impressed with Xored's features if > you can get it to compile :) > > http://www.xored.com/trustudio/features > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org