From necrotic at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 19:05:36 2004
From: necrotic at gmail.com (James Logsdon)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:05:36 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Hey
Message-ID: <dfded6041007160594dfe5@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone,

I doubt many people are subscribed yet, but I thought I would go ahead
and send an e-mail saying 'ey! I can't wait for Atlanta PHP to finally
get off the ground, I've been waiting since Ben Ramsey made the
announcement on his blog.

I'm a 17-year-old Junior in my local High School. I play on the
marching band, drumlime specifcally, and do PHP stuffs in my free
time. I'm looking to major in music of some sort, probably percussion
related, and maybe do something with my knowledge in PHP in my spare
time, if not full time. I've been working with PHP for close to my
fourth year now. I just recently started getting into it full-force
and learning how PHP5's OOP works. I've done a few projects around the
web, but nothing major. I'm working on a PHP5 Blog called Novus in my
spare time.

Signed,
James Logsdon

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From matt at atlphp.org  Thu Oct  7 23:18:06 2004
From: matt at atlphp.org (Matt Kern)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:18:06 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Hey
In-Reply-To: <dfded6041007160594dfe5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dfded6041007160594dfe5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <416606EE.1000405@atlphp.org>

Welcome to the community James!  Glad to have you!


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From necrotic at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 23:22:18 2004
From: necrotic at gmail.com (James Logsdon)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:22:18 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Hey
In-Reply-To: <416606EE.1000405@atlphp.org>
References: <dfded6041007160594dfe5@mail.gmail.com>
	 <416606EE.1000405@atlphp.org>
Message-ID: <dfded604100720225b1ec662@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Matt! Thanks for the welcome :)

Signed,
James Logsdon


On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:18:06 -0400, Matt Kern <matt at atlphp.org> wrote:
> Welcome to the community James!  Glad to have you!
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From sprocket at f2o.org  Fri Oct  8 00:17:53 2004
From: sprocket at f2o.org (Chris Spruck)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:17:53 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] test
Message-ID: <416614F1.9060208@f2o.org>

test

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From matt at atlphp.org  Fri Oct  8 00:19:37 2004
From: matt at atlphp.org (Matt Kern)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:19:37 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] test
In-Reply-To: <416614F1.9060208@f2o.org>
References: <416614F1.9060208@f2o.org>
Message-ID: <41661559.7020305@atlphp.org>

Chris Spruck wrote:
> test
> 
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back at ya.  Sorry for the public testing y'all.  Gotta do it...


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From necrotic at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 14:57:33 2004
From: necrotic at gmail.com (James Logsdon)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:57:33 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Silence
Message-ID: <dfded604101111577151c93a@mail.gmail.com>

So are these mailing lists gunna sit idle like the IRC channel? I'll
actually be productive after I write my story for English... but I've
gotten about 2 emails, both in the "test" thing.

James Logsdon

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From ben at atlphp.org  Mon Oct 11 15:16:52 2004
From: ben at atlphp.org (Ben Ramsey)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:16:52 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Silence
In-Reply-To: <dfded604101111577151c93a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dfded604101111577151c93a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <416ADC24.5080500@atlphp.org>

James Logsdon wrote:
> So are these mailing lists gunna sit idle like the IRC channel? I'll
> actually be productive after I write my story for English... but I've
> gotten about 2 emails, both in the "test" thing.

I just checked, and I see that you're also subscribed to the org@ list, 
which is where I suspect most of our initial conversations will take 
place, and, in fact, there has already been some discussion there. 
Hopefully, we can get the list archives up soon so that others can see 
what we've already talked about.

In short, the talk@ list will function like a php-general@ list for 
Atlanta PHP. Discussions here won't necessarily be focused on the group 
or the formation of the group. Those conversations are best held on the 
org@ address.

I think we're also waiting for several days to see how many people sign 
up for the lists. So far, we have 10 people signed up on announce@, 
which is the list we're using as an indicator of our membership size. I 
know that, in the past, many more than just 10 have voiced interest in 
this group to me, so I hope to see at least 25-30 names on that list. 
Twenty people alone have signed up for our group on Orkut, and I have 
sent a message to all of them and posted to the group forum there 
notifying about the mailing lists.

-- 
Ben Ramsey
Atlanta PHP
http://atlphp.org

http://benramsey.com

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From necrotic at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 16:35:53 2004
From: necrotic at gmail.com (James Logsdon)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:35:53 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Silence
In-Reply-To: <416ADC24.5080500@atlphp.org>
References: <dfded604101111577151c93a@mail.gmail.com>
	 <416ADC24.5080500@atlphp.org>
Message-ID: <dfded604101113356f47899a@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Ben,

Yeah, I knew that Org@ would be used for main discussion. But I didn't
want to send a "wake up" message to that list :) More of a general
message, if you ask me.

Signed,
James Logsdon


On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:16:52 -0400, Ben Ramsey <ben at atlphp.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> James Logsdon wrote:
> > So are these mailing lists gunna sit idle like the IRC channel? I'll
> > actually be productive after I write my story for English... but I've
> > gotten about 2 emails, both in the "test" thing.
> 
> I just checked, and I see that you're also subscribed to the org@ list,
> which is where I suspect most of our initial conversations will take
> place, and, in fact, there has already been some discussion there.
> Hopefully, we can get the list archives up soon so that others can see
> what we've already talked about.
> 
> In short, the talk@ list will function like a php-general@ list for
> Atlanta PHP. Discussions here won't necessarily be focused on the group
> or the formation of the group. Those conversations are best held on the
> org@ address.
> 
> I think we're also waiting for several days to see how many people sign
> up for the lists. So far, we have 10 people signed up on announce@,
> which is the list we're using as an indicator of our membership size. I
> know that, in the past, many more than just 10 have voiced interest in
> this group to me, so I hope to see at least 25-30 names on that list.
> Twenty people alone have signed up for our group on Orkut, and I have
> sent a message to all of them and posted to the group forum there
> notifying about the mailing lists.
> 
> --
> Ben Ramsey
> Atlanta PHP
> http://atlphp.org
> 
> http://benramsey.com
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From matt at atlphp.org  Mon Oct 11 20:30:14 2004
From: matt at atlphp.org (Matt Kern)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:30:14 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Silence
In-Reply-To: <dfded604101111577151c93a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dfded604101111577151c93a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <416B2596.4000807@atlphp.org>

James Logsdon wrote:
> So are these mailing lists gunna sit idle like the IRC channel? I'll
> actually be productive after I write my story for English... but I've
> gotten about 2 emails, both in the "test" thing.
> 

Give it some time, my impatient one ;-)  It's going to take a bit of 
time to get traffic on the list.  And it doesn't help that I was out of 
town without connectivity *GASP*.  I'm just getting over the shakes...

It's really only up to us at this point.  Get the word out.  That's 
probably the best way to get things moving forward!

We're really glad to see your enthusiasm!

/mk



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From lists at neoncowboy.com  Mon Oct 11 20:44:56 2004
From: lists at neoncowboy.com (John Corry)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:44:56 -1000
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Silence
In-Reply-To: <416B2596.4000807@atlphp.org>
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1173836399.16032.atlphp-talk@lists.atlantaphp.org>

I tried a msg to the list and it didn't work...will this one? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Kern [mailto:matt at atlphp.org] 
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:30 PM
> To: talk at lists.atlphp.org
> Subject: Re: [atlphp-talk] Silence
> 
> James Logsdon wrote:
> > So are these mailing lists gunna sit idle like the IRC 
> channel? I'll 
> > actually be productive after I write my story for 
> English... but I've 
> > gotten about 2 emails, both in the "test" thing.
> > 
> 
> Give it some time, my impatient one ;-)  It's going to take a 
> bit of time to get traffic on the list.  And it doesn't help 
> that I was out of town without connectivity *GASP*.  I'm just 
> getting over the shakes...
> 
> It's really only up to us at this point.  Get the word out.  
> That's probably the best way to get things moving forward!
> 
> We're really glad to see your enthusiasm!
> 
> /mk
> 
> 
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From lists at neoncowboy.com  Mon Oct 11 20:46:36 2004
From: lists at neoncowboy.com (John Corry)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:46:36 -1000
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Silence
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1173836399.16032.atlphp-talk@lists.atlantaphp.org>

Yup, it worked. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Corry [mailto:lists at neoncowboy.com] 
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:45 PM
> To: talk at lists.atlphp.org
> Subject: RE: [atlphp-talk] Silence
> 
> I tried a msg to the list and it didn't work...will this one? 



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From matt at atlphp.org  Mon Oct 11 20:55:17 2004
From: matt at atlphp.org (Matt Kern)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:55:17 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Silence
Message-ID: <416B2B75.1000002@atlphp.org>

John Corry wrote:
> Yup, it worked. 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Corry [mailto:lists at neoncowboy.com] 
>>Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:45 PM
>>To: talk at lists.atlphp.org
>>Subject: RE: [atlphp-talk] Silence
>>
>>I tried a msg to the list and it didn't work...will this one? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Sure did. :-)  Can you please forward me the one that didn't.  I'd like 
to keep up with problems with the ezmlm.  Thanks!

Welcome to the group!


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From john at neoncowboy.com  Mon Oct 11 21:04:23 2004
From: john at neoncowboy.com (John Corry)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:04:23 -1000
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Hi guys!
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1173836399.16032.atlphp-talk@lists.atlantaphp.org>

<the message that didn't go...my bad. I sent it from the wrong account>

John Corry here...glad to be with you.

I've been on Maui for 11 years but am moving back to Georgia in December.

Looking forward to knowing folks in the PHP community near where I live.

My other interests include:
Flying airplanes, mountain biking, photography/video, guns, politics

:)



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From necrotic at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 21:04:36 2004
From: necrotic at gmail.com (James Logsdon)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:04:36 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Silence
In-Reply-To: <416B2B75.1000002@atlphp.org>
References: <416B2B75.1000002@atlphp.org>
Message-ID: <dfded604101118043c90ae@mail.gmail.com>

I'm curious as to why I didn't get that e-mail Ben sent to org@ a few
days ago. I signed up practicaly the day the lists were made.

I'll tell a few of my friends at school about Atlanta PHP :)

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:55:17 -0400, Matt Kern <matt at atlphp.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> John Corry wrote:
> > Yup, it worked.
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: John Corry [mailto:lists at neoncowboy.com]
> >>Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:45 PM
> >>To: talk at lists.atlphp.org
> >>Subject: RE: [atlphp-talk] Silence
> >>
> >>I tried a msg to the list and it didn't work...will this one?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Sure did. :-)  Can you please forward me the one that didn't.  I'd like
> to keep up with problems with the ezmlm.  Thanks!
> 
> Welcome to the group!
> 
> 
> 
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From necrotic at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 21:08:25 2004
From: necrotic at gmail.com (James Logsdon)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:08:25 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Hi guys!
In-Reply-To: <373394845640075209@unknownmsgid>
References: <373394845640075209@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <dfded6041011180868ecb987@mail.gmail.com>

Hey John,

I've always wanted to go to Maui... maybe if I get the money some day
I can :) Is it nice out there?

I have a small interest in photography as well. I'm saving up to get a
new camera so I can persue it more.

James Logsdon

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:04:23 -1000, John Corry <john at neoncowboy.com> wrote:
> <the message that didn't go...my bad. I sent it from the wrong account>
> 
> John Corry here...glad to be with you.
> 
> I've been on Maui for 11 years but am moving back to Georgia in December.
> 
> Looking forward to knowing folks in the PHP community near where I live.
> 
> My other interests include:
> Flying airplanes, mountain biking, photography/video, guns, politics
> 
> :)
> 
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From lists at neoncowboy.com  Mon Oct 11 21:13:30 2004
From: lists at neoncowboy.com (John Corry)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:13:30 -1000
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Hi guys!
In-Reply-To: <dfded6041011180868ecb987@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1173836399.16032.atlphp-talk@lists.atlantaphp.org>

> Hey John,

Hi!

> 
> I've always wanted to go to Maui... maybe if I get the money 
> some day I can :) Is it nice out there?

Naw, it sucks. Sun, beaches, mountain rain forests...truly one of the most
God-awful places on earth...


...NOT!

I have some flying pics in a gallery, http://www.johnpeace.org/gallery/

> 
> I have a small interest in photography as well. I'm saving up 
> to get a new camera so I can persue it more.

Cool! It's been awhile since I was an avid participant, but I'm starting a
new job photographing real estate when we move to Gainesville...looking
forward to getting back behind the camera.

I've been working in web development as a freelancer/one-man-shop for about
5 years now...working with PHP for about 3. Looking for light duty
contracting when we get moved.

Thanks for having me!

> 
> James Logsdon
> 
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:04:23 -1000, John Corry 
> <john at neoncowboy.com> wrote:
> > <the message that didn't go...my bad. I sent it from the wrong 
> > account>
> > 
> > John Corry here...glad to be with you.
> > 
> > I've been on Maui for 11 years but am moving back to 
> Georgia in December.
> > 
> > Looking forward to knowing folks in the PHP community near 
> where I live.
> > 
> > My other interests include:
> > Flying airplanes, mountain biking, photography/video, guns, politics
> > 
> > :)
> > 
> > 
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From necrotic at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 22:54:36 2004
From: necrotic at gmail.com (James Logsdon)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:54:36 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Hi guys!
In-Reply-To: <8327885297051576243@unknownmsgid>
References: <dfded6041011180868ecb987@mail.gmail.com>
	 <8327885297051576243@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <dfded60410111954232e49d5@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

Gainseville? That's really close to Lawrenceville, where I live! Have
fun with your new job :)

James Logsdon

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:13:30 -1000, John Corry <lists at neoncowboy.com> wrote:
> > Hey John,
> 
> Hi!
> 
> >
> > I've always wanted to go to Maui... maybe if I get the money
> > some day I can :) Is it nice out there?
> 
> Naw, it sucks. Sun, beaches, mountain rain forests...truly one of the most
> God-awful places on earth...
> 
> ...NOT!
> 
> I have some flying pics in a gallery, http://www.johnpeace.org/gallery/
> 
> >
> > I have a small interest in photography as well. I'm saving up
> > to get a new camera so I can persue it more.
> 
> Cool! It's been awhile since I was an avid participant, but I'm starting a
> new job photographing real estate when we move to Gainesville...looking
> forward to getting back behind the camera.
> 
> I've been working in web development as a freelancer/one-man-shop for about
> 5 years now...working with PHP for about 3. Looking for light duty
> contracting when we get moved.
> 
> Thanks for having me!
> 
> >
> > James Logsdon
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:04:23 -1000, John Corry
> > <john at neoncowboy.com> wrote:
> > > <the message that didn't go...my bad. I sent it from the wrong
> > > account>
> > >
> > > John Corry here...glad to be with you.
> > >
> > > I've been on Maui for 11 years but am moving back to
> > Georgia in December.
> > >
> > > Looking forward to knowing folks in the PHP community near
> > where I live.
> > >
> > > My other interests include:
> > > Flying airplanes, mountain biking, photography/video, guns, politics
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
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From ben at atlphp.org  Wed Oct 13 15:52:42 2004
From: ben at atlphp.org (Ben Ramsey)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:52:42 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] test
Message-ID: <416D878A.4030302@atlphp.org>

test test...

Are the lists working?

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From scott at crisscott.com  Wed Oct 13 15:53:17 2004
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:53:17 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] test
In-Reply-To: <416D878A.4030302@atlphp.org>
References: <416D878A.4030302@atlphp.org>
Message-ID: <416D87AD.8020302@crisscott.com>

Yes.

Ben Ramsey wrote:

> test test...
> 
> Are the lists working?
> 

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From ben at atlphp.org  Wed Oct 13 15:53:20 2004
From: ben at atlphp.org (Ben Ramsey)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:53:20 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] test
In-Reply-To: <416D878A.4030302@atlphp.org>
References: <416D878A.4030302@atlphp.org>
Message-ID: <416D87B0.9050802@atlphp.org>

Ben Ramsey wrote:
> test test...
> 
> Are the lists working?
> 

Hmm... I guess they are. Nevermind.

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From matt at atlphp.org  Thu Oct 14 16:40:57 2004
From: matt at atlphp.org (Matt Kern)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:40:57 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Anyone going to go to ALE tonight?
Message-ID: <416EE459.50209@atlphp.org>

If so, let me know so I can look for you.  Otherwise, it'll be tough to 
meet up afterwards for coffee. :-) An email to me off-list will suffice.

/mk

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From matt at atlphp.org  Thu Oct 14 22:16:18 2004
From: matt at atlphp.org (Matt Kern)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:16:18 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Anyone going to go to ALE tonight?
In-Reply-To: <416EE459.50209@atlphp.org>
References: <416EE459.50209@atlphp.org>
Message-ID: <416F32F2.8060407@atlphp.org>

Matt Kern wrote:
> If so, let me know so I can look for you.  Otherwise, it'll be tough to 
> meet up afterwards for coffee. :-) An email to me off-list will suffice.
> 
> /mk
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Well, sadly, I didn't make it either.  Atlanta traffic and mapquest did 
me wrong.  We'll announce at the next ALE meeting and with a group next 
time!  I'll be sure to get the reminder out a week early or so.

/mk


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From necrotic at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 22:30:20 2004
From: necrotic at gmail.com (James Logsdon)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:30:20 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] Anyone going to go to ALE tonight?
In-Reply-To: <416F32F2.8060407@atlphp.org>
References: <416EE459.50209@atlphp.org> <416F32F2.8060407@atlphp.org>
Message-ID: <dfded6041014193067fd975@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good :)


On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:16:18 -0400, Matt Kern <matt at atlphp.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Matt Kern wrote:
> > If so, let me know so I can look for you.  Otherwise, it'll be tough to
> > meet up afterwards for coffee. :-) An email to me off-list will suffice.
> >
> > /mk
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> Well, sadly, I didn't make it either.  Atlanta traffic and mapquest did
> me wrong.  We'll announce at the next ALE meeting and with a group next
> time!  I'll be sure to get the reminder out a week early or so.
> 
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From ben at atlphp.org  Tue Oct 19 10:33:21 2004
From: ben at atlphp.org (Ben Ramsey)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:33:21 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] LISA Conference
Message-ID: <417525B1.80605@atlphp.org>

Anyone going to this in Novemeber?
http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa04/

I'm not going because it's a bit expensive for me right now, but I 
thought it might be a good potential place to promote Atlanta PHP.

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From matt at atlphp.org  Tue Oct 19 22:54:24 2004
From: matt at atlphp.org (Matt Kern)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:54:24 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] LISA Conference
In-Reply-To: <417525B1.80605@atlphp.org>
References: <417525B1.80605@atlphp.org>
Message-ID: <4175D360.6030704@atlphp.org>

Ben Ramsey wrote:
> Anyone going to this in Novemeber?
> http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa04/
> 
> I'm not going because it's a bit expensive for me right now, but I 
> thought it might be a good potential place to promote Atlanta PHP.
> 

I wish I were.  Sadly, no, I'm in the same boat.  We could talk to them 
about exhibiting...

/mk

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From ben at atlphp.org  Wed Oct 20 14:20:22 2004
From: ben at atlphp.org (Ben Ramsey)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:20:22 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] LISA Conference
In-Reply-To: <4175D360.6030704@atlphp.org>
References: <417525B1.80605@atlphp.org> <4175D360.6030704@atlphp.org>
Message-ID: <4176AC66.7060709@atlphp.org>

Matt Kern wrote:
> I wish I were.  Sadly, no, I'm in the same boat.  We could talk to them 
> about exhibiting...

The cost of display space in the exhibit hall is $3400 for non-members, 
$3000 for members. 
<http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa04/sponsors.html#sponsor>

However . . .

Attendance to the vendor exhibition is free 
<http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa04/exhibition.html>.

Maybe we should plan for our first meeting in December and our "site 
launch" in early-to-mid November. Then, we could get some kind of info 
cards (4x6 postcard size?) printed up with our "About Us" verbage, 
purpose statement, Web address, and space to fill in meeting details (so 
we can reuse these cards in the future). We could schedule a time to 
meet up and attend the vendor exhibition and hand out these cards.

What do you think?

I'm currently working on the "About Us" verbage to use in publicity 
materials, so I should have something to post here by this weekend for 
review.

By the way, there are a total of 22 e-mail addresses subscribed to our 
lists. Some of these people I know are not in Atlanta, so I don't really 
count on them to be active members. Spread the word to your local 
friends and co-workers and get them to subscribe!

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From ben at atlphp.org  Thu Oct 21 18:11:37 2004
From: ben at atlphp.org (Ben Ramsey)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:11:37 -0400
Subject: [atlphp-talk] [Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, October 21]
Message-ID: <41783419.5030705@atlphp.org>

We're now officially members of the O'Reilly User Group Program 
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situation in terms of Monty Python's "Trojan rabbit." Sam is a coauthor of
"Exploring the JDS Linux Desktop."
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/10/14/storming_microsoft_edifice.html


***Seven Cool Mono Apps
Edd Dumbill takes a look at seven of the cool open source programs being
built on Mono.
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2004/10/18/mono.html


***Save 50% on Linux/Unix System Administration Online Courses
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Mac
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***Mac OS X Power Hound Helpful Hints, Part 1
Author Rob Griffiths has hand-picked 16 of his favorite hints and
organized them into this two-part series. This week, in part one, you'll
discover eight tricks to help your Mac OS X system run smoother, and see
new ways to personalize your working environment. Examples include
activating Expose with a multi-button mouse, saving iTunes Music Store
videos and trailers, and customizing the Dock "poof."
http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/excerpt/osxph_1004/index.html


***TenCon Fly-by
Over the past weeks Derrick Story has been pointing out some of the new
content we've added to the O'Reilly Mac OS X Conference. Here's his
collection of What's New blurbs and weblogs to create a convenient fly-by
of event highlights.
http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/10/19/tencon_flyby.html


***Extend your AirPort Network with AirPort Express
Sometimes one access point just isn't enough for our wireless networks,
even at home. Wei Meng Lee shows you how to extend your network with
AirPort Express, and explains what's going on under the hood.
http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/10/12/airport_express.html

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Windows/.NET
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***Power Hound Tips for Online Protection
The Internet is a dangerous place, and sometimes the dangers come from
unexpected quarters. So in addition to taking the usual online
precautions, the Power Hound offers some tips about how to protect
yourself against dangers you may have never even thought of, excerpted
from O'Reilly's newly released Windows XP Power Hound.
http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/excerpt/winxppu_ch6/index.html


***Building the Perfect Bleeding-Edge PC, Part 1
What does it take to build the perfect bleeding-edge PC? First you need to
pick the perfect components. From processor to power supply, Bob and
Barbara Thompson have assembled their ideal mix of high-performance
components that will run on both Linux and Windows.
Building the Perfect Bleeding-Edge PC, Part 1
http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2004/10/05/PerfectPC.html


***Building the Perfect Bleeding-Edge PC, Part 2
You've gotten all the parts--now it's time for the nitty-gritty of putting
it all together. Here are step-by-step instructions for building the PC of
your dreams, from Bob and Barbara Thompson, authors of "Building the
Perfect PC."
http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2004/10/12/PerfectPC.html

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Java
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***An Introduction to Aspect-Oriented Programming with the Spring
   Framework, Part 2
Russ Miles continues his introduction to Aspect-Oriented Programming (AOP)
in Spring by delving into the around advice, which allows you to not just
add to an existing method implementation, but to completely replace it.
http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/10/20/springaop2.html


***Create and Read J2SE 5.0 Annotations with the ASM Bytecode Toolkit
Continuing his examination of the ASM bytecode-manipulation toolkit,
Eugene Kuleshov shows how ASM can be used to access J2SE 5.0 attributes,
even from earlier JVM versions that don't support attributes.
http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/10/20/asm.html

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