From ben at atlphp.org Mon Apr 4 09:48:05 2005 From: ben at atlphp.org (Ben Ramsey) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:48:05 -0400 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP Port of Java Tiles In-Reply-To: <424C14C1.40901@crisscott.com> References: <424C14C1.40901@crisscott.com> Message-ID: <42514595.6000209@atlphp.org> Scott Mattocks wrote: > Does anyone know of a PHP port of Java tiles or something similar? Sorry, I'm not familiar with Java titles. > Here is a link to some information about tiles if you aren't familiar > with it: > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-strutstiles.html The article is pretty long. Could you sum it up for us with a quick example of what "tiles" are, please? > A PHP Tiles framework would come in handy and I don't want to have to > code it myself. I'm interested in knowing how this would work in PHP. Could you show some example PHP code using this "proposed" framework in PHP? I'm giving a talk about PHP frameworks at the IPC in Amsterdam in May. If this kind of framework exists currently in PHP or would benefit the PHP community as a whole (if it doesn't currently exist), then I may make a mention of it. ;-) -- Ben Ramsey Zend Certified Engineer http://benramsey.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From jchum at aismedia.com Tue Apr 5 17:01:57 2005 From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:01:57 -0400 Subject: [atlphp-talk] FW: [ale] Speaking opportunity Message-ID: <200504052107.j35L7FXY021114@europa.acs.aismedia.com> Came across this post in the ALE group. Just incase anyone is interested. Jonathan Chum Senior Developer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AIS Media, Inc. - "We Build eBusinesses" 7000 Central Parkway, Suite #1700 Atlanta, GA 30328 Tel: 770.350.7998 ext. 505 / Fax: 770.350.9409 http://www.aismedia.com /jchum at aismedia.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ________________________________ From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Steve Brooks Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:22 PM To: ale at ale.org Subject: [ale] Speaking opportunity Hi, I'm seeking a speaker for 6:00 p.m. on April 21st to discuss Rapid Application Development for the web. The presentation should last about 40 minutes. There is no payment for this presentation as we're a non-profit organization, but we will feed you. It's a dinner meeting with dinner at 7, followed by another presentation. I thought that PHP with MYSQL, perhaps with some nice productivity tools, like NewAtlanta, would be a good fit. Hence, I'm contacting ALE for anyone interested in giving a presentation. Although any R.A.D strategy for web apps would be interesting. Our group is the Association of I.T. Professionals, http://www.aitpatlanta.homestead.com . Please contact me if you're interested. Thanks Steve Brooks Region 7 Director Atlanta Chapter Association of I.T. Professionals (AITP) http://www.aitpatlanta.homestead.com 404-264-2178 +++The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this document.+++ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From matt at atlphp.org Tue Apr 5 21:23:51 2005 From: matt at atlphp.org (Matt Kern) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:23:51 -0400 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP Port of Java Tiles In-Reply-To: <424C14C1.40901@crisscott.com> References: <424C14C1.40901@crisscott.com> Message-ID: <7114cf60ef4365fbdf446aa784194590@atlphp.org> On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Scott Mattocks wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know of a PHP port of Java tiles or something similar? > > Here is a link to some information about tiles if you aren't familiar > with it: > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-strutstiles.html > > A PHP Tiles framework would come in handy and I don't want to have to > code it myself. > > Thanks, > -- > Scott Mattocks > scott at crisscott.com > http://www.crisscott.com > http://pear.php.net/user/scottmattocks Are you already using one of the PHP MVC frameworks like Phrame or phpMVC? It's been almost a year since last I looked at these two, but they seemed a decent parallel to Struts (Phrame I think was actually modeled after Struts). As far as a unified UI framework built on top of that, I don't know of one for PHP. Would be an interesting project, though. The only problem is that both the MVC frameworks I'm familiar with looked pretty stagnant at last glance. ---- Matt Kern --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From matt at atlphp.org Wed Apr 6 03:35:30 2005 From: matt at atlphp.org (Matt Kern) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 03:35:30 -0400 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP Port of Java Tiles In-Reply-To: <7114cf60ef4365fbdf446aa784194590@atlphp.org> References: <424C14C1.40901@crisscott.com> <7114cf60ef4365fbdf446aa784194590@atlphp.org> Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2005, at 9:23 PM, Matt Kern wrote: > On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Scott Mattocks wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Does anyone know of a PHP port of Java tiles or something similar? >> >> Here is a link to some information about tiles if you aren't familiar >> with it: >> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-strutstiles.html >> >> A PHP Tiles framework would come in handy and I don't want to have to >> code it myself. >> >> Thanks, >> -- >> Scott Mattocks >> scott at crisscott.com >> http://www.crisscott.com >> http://pear.php.net/user/scottmattocks > > Are you already using one of the PHP MVC frameworks like Phrame or > phpMVC? It's been almost a year since last I looked at these two, but > they seemed a decent parallel to Struts (Phrame I think was actually > modeled after Struts). > > As far as a unified UI framework built on top of that, I don't know of > one for PHP. Would be an interesting project, though. The only > problem is that both the MVC frameworks I'm familiar with looked > pretty stagnant at last glance. I just stumbled on this, and it might be similar to what you're looking for: http://www.xisc.com/ ---- Matt Kern ===================================================== Capitalism is a feudalist hangover. ===================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From scott at crisscott.com Wed Apr 6 09:28:18 2005 From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 09:28:18 -0400 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP Port of Java Tiles In-Reply-To: References: <424C14C1.40901@crisscott.com> <7114cf60ef4365fbdf446aa784194590@atlphp.org> Message-ID: <4253E3F2.60105@crisscott.com> Sorry for the delay Ben. I'm not to familiar with Tiles myself but I am the last PHP developer in what is rapidly becoming a Java shop. I am being "urged" to use Java ported components when possible. My basic understanding of Tiles is that pages are broken down into reusable chunks that can be assembled by the Tiles engine to create the final page output. It sounds a lot to me like an MVC just for the view part of an MVC. The reusable template chunks is not new to me but the engine that puts them all together is. I am used to just putting some sort of include statement in one template to grab another. Tiles uses an XML file and a "tile engine" to put everything together. Matt Kern wrote: > >> Are you already using one of the PHP MVC frameworks like Phrame or >> phpMVC? It's been almost a year since last I looked at these two, but >> they seemed a decent parallel to Struts (Phrame I think was actually >> modeled after Struts). We are using MVCnPHP (http://www.tonybibbs.com/index.php?topic=MVCnPHP) I looked at just about every PHP framework out there and this was the only struts like framework being actively worked on. None of them had a good (any) UI framework though. > > I just stumbled on this, and it might be similar to what you're looking > for: > > http://www.xisc.com/ I looked into PRADO but I need to stick to a more traditional MVC framework because I need to be able to easily move several sites over to a new base framework. Moving them to PRADO would be too much work for a first step. I could be completely misunderstanding what PRADO is though. Thanks for your help, -- Scott Mattocks scott at crisscott.com http://www.crisscott.com http://pear.php.net/user/scottmattocks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From ben at atlphp.org Sat Apr 9 13:55:01 2005 From: ben at atlphp.org (Ben Ramsey) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:55:01 -0400 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP Frameworks Message-ID: <425816F5.4030407@atlphp.org> There were several names of PHP-based frameworks tossed about at our last meeting. Since I'm doing a talk on PHP frameworks in Amsterdam in May, I'd like to try for a comprehensive list of what's out there. Could you guys post some of the names of those frameworks mentioned, and if you've had any experience with any of them (good or bad), please include that, as well. Thanks! -- Ben Ramsey Zend Certified Engineer http://benramsey.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From necrotic at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 14:31:12 2005 From: necrotic at gmail.com (James Logsdon) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 18:31:12 +0000 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP Frameworks In-Reply-To: <425816F5.4030407@atlphp.org> References: <425816F5.4030407@atlphp.org> Message-ID: <42581F70.5090106@gmail.com> Ben Ramsey wrote: > There were several names of PHP-based frameworks tossed about at our > last meeting. Since I'm doing a talk on PHP frameworks in Amsterdam in > May, I'd like to try for a comprehensive list of what's out there. > > Could you guys post some of the names of those frameworks mentioned, and > if you've had any experience with any of them (good or bad), please > include that, as well. > > Thanks! > I've poked around with a few, but not extensively enough to give input. But I know about phpMCV and Phrame. I think Phrame was entered into the PHP5 contest that Zend held and did pretty well. I can't think of any others off the top of my head though. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since I'm doing a talk on PHP frameworks in Amsterdam in >> May, I'd like to try for a comprehensive list of what's out there. >> >> Could you guys post some of the names of those frameworks mentioned, and >> if you've had any experience with any of them (good or bad), please >> include that, as well. >> > I've poked around with a few, but not extensively enough to give input. > But I know about phpMCV and Phrame. I think Phrame was entered into the > PHP5 contest that Zend held and did pretty well. I can't think of any > others off the top of my head though. I think the winner of that contest was "Prado". I have no real experience with it, what I know of it is what I've read at xisc.com. The one thing I will say is that it appears to be like Documentum for Java. You apparently use an XML file to associate a PHP class with a PHP view. Then you can specify a method in that class as the onclick attribute of a hyperlink, for instance. If however this does not allow a "run_at_client" sort of option to invoke Javascript instead of PHP, I would consider this flawed. Just my 0.02. George --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org From necrotic at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 16:12:17 2005 From: necrotic at gmail.com (James Logsdon) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:12:17 +0000 Subject: [atlphp-talk] PHP Frameworks In-Reply-To: <41257.68.158.43.16.1113075265.squirrel@www.telana.com> References: <425816F5.4030407@atlphp.org> <42581F70.5090106@gmail.com> <41257.68.158.43.16.1113075265.squirrel@www.telana.com> Message-ID: <42583721.70707@gmail.com> George Jempty wrote: > I think the winner of that contest was "Prado". I have no real experience > with it, what I know of it is what I've read at xisc.com. That was it! Prado! I knew there was another I was missing. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hi Ben, I wasn't at your meeting (Atlanta is a little to far for me) but I have been doing a lot of research in to MVC frameworks lately for work. Here is a list of some of the ones that I have read about recently (not all ar MVCs): Mojavi http://www.mojavi.org/ BinaryCloud http://binarycloud.com/ MVCnPHP http://www.tonybibbs.com/index.php?topic=MVCnPHP Prado http://www.xisc.com/ Phrame http://phrame.sourceforge.net/ We decided to go with MVCnPHP as a base and extend it a little for our applications. Basically be cause it was the only MVC framework that was PHP5 and production ready. -- Scott Mattocks scott at crisscott.com http://www.crisscott.com http://pear.php.net/user/scottmattocks --------------------------------------------------------------------- Atlanta PHP Talk http://www.atlphp.org/archives/talk http://www.atlphp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe at lists.atlphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help at lists.atlphp.org